Ep. 50: Elizabeth Clor on Boston Bound, Mental Clarity & Trusting the Process

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Like how I used to, once I realized in a race, oh, it's not going my way, I would kind of go into panic mode. And and one thing I learned with working with a sports psychologist is that you should actually be emotion neutral. And I'm like, oh, you you shouldn't be like super positive while while running. And he's like, Well, not I'm not saying that you shouldn't be super positive, but like you just need to be steady. Like you can't have your emotions be a roller coaster up and down. And you need to be focused. So you shouldn't be so optimistic, you know, that you are like not focused on what you're doing or whatever. Like you need to just be really mentally kind of neutral and dialed in. And then when you hit the finish line, then you can be like elatedly happy. But like this whole concept of just being emotion neutral. And if something happens that rattles you, your reaction is okay. Just it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

Welcome to episode 50 of Through Their Stride. I'm your host, Sam Sutton, and on this milestone episode, we have on Elizabeth Clore. Elizabeth is a competitive endurance runner, author, coach, and the voice behind the longtime running blog Racing Stripes. Her book, Boston Bound, tells the story of her seven-year pursuit of a Boston Marathon qualifying time. A journey that required her to confront the perfectionism, anxiety, and the mental barriers that were holding her back as much as anything physical. Earlier this year, the book marked 10 years, and in this conversation, Elizabeth reflects on the lessons that have continued to resonate long after she first qualified for Boston. Why a goal can become counterproductive when it grows bigger than you, how to stay steady-minded when training and racing don't go as planned, and why committing to the process is often more powerful than fixating on the outcome. Whether you're chasing a Boston qualifier, a PR, or simply becoming a more resilient runner, Elizabeth's perspective is a reminder to trust the work, focus on what you can control, and keep showing up. Here's my conversation with Elizabeth Klore. Alright, welcome back to Through Their Stride. I'm your host, Sam Sutton, and today I'm joined by Elizabeth Klore, the author of Boston Bound and one of my favorite runners to follow on Instagram. Elizabeth, I've been following you for, I think, since I started really taking running seriously back three years ago, and you've been such an inspiration to me. So thank you so much for coming on.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Oh, thank you. I'm honored.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

Yeah, I uh actually read, well, I listened to your uh audiobook, um, Boston Bound, uh, back when I started following you three years ago. I found you on Instagram originally, and uh just thought, oh, like her content is super educational for runners, it's super helpful, and you're very honest and open about your times and the ups and downs. So I was like, oh, I'll follow her. And then I think you had posted something on your story about your book, and I was like, oh, like she's got a book. I ought to, I ought to go check that out. And it was, I'm as someone who's still trying to uh chase Boston myself, I was very interested and it it was very helpful.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

So that's really wonderful. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Yeah. And you it's coming up on 10 years, is that correct? Or you actually just hit 10 years?

SPEAKER_00 3:17

Yeah, I wrote the book uh in, or I published the book rather in May of 2016. So 10-year anniversary this year.

SPEAKER_02 3:26

That's awesome. And uh um before I start asking too many questions about the book and about your story, can you give kind of a brief introduction about of yourself? I know you are pretty well known in the writing space at this point, but for the for the few who may not know you, can you kind of give a little brief introduction?

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Sure. So once again, my name is Elizabeth, and I have been running for 25 years, actually. Um, but I've been the first five or so years of those were was like just running on a treadmill just for fitness. So I've been doing marathons for 20 years. It's the 20-year anniversary, actually, of me doing my first marathon. Uh I've run 40 marathons, and um, for you know, a long time I really wanted to qualify for Boston and I struggled a lot to get there. And uh that's a lot about what my book is about, is kind of the not so much the physical challenges of running, but the mental aspect of it. So I really went on this journey of self-discovery that really led me to places that were completely unrelated to running and just kind of dove deep into my psyche and into my soul and who I was as a person. And I learned so much through the process of running, and that's really what um the book is about. But um once I was able to kind of overcome some of those mental mental hurdles, I um I was able to really, my running career kind of took off from there, qualified for Boston many times. I think I don't know, I think I have like 20 plus BQs or something like that at this point. Um I've run Boston, I think six or seven times. Um, so that's where I am now, and I'm still I'm still running almost every day, loving the process, training for a marathon currently. So that's a little bit of an overview.

SPEAKER_02 5:09

Yeah. And still hitting PRs too. I think I saw you hit uh, was it 315 last uh last year? And um uh so yeah, PRs are still very much in the in the picture. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Yeah, I hit well, I hit it was funny. I saw I hit 315 back in 2018, and I thought, well, then it took me a really long time again um for me to beat that, but I finally broke that last year and I got to 314, and I'm like, okay. So I took I shaved a minute off, but that means that I'm still going. I can I can still at the at the age of 47, I can still be setting PRs.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

So that's awesome. I mean, like to be able to keep longevity over a 20-year marathon career is pretty, pretty phenomenal. What my first question, I guess, up would be what um do you feel like kind of attributes to that and and helps you continue to hit big goals and hit PRs as you continue moving on in life?

SPEAKER_00 6:04

Yeah, thanks. I I really think it has to do most with the consistency. Um I have had some longer breaks, maybe two or three months, but nothing really longer than three months. And um I started, I started young, which I realized, you know, people can't rewind the clock and do that. But um I have just been very consistent in terms of I love to run. And if I'm able to, if I'm not sick or injured, um I will make the time to run um almost every day, whether that's just an easy like three or four miles, or if that's a long run or some kind of workout. Um, but I really attribute it to just consistency. Also, um, as I age, I think a lot of it has to do with knowing my body, listening to my body. I um I had a coach for many, many years, and then I got my own coaching certification. And so um I coach myself. Now many people will say, well, you can't coach yourself because the purpose of a coach is to really push you beyond what you think you're capable of. And while that is true, I do feel like I'm very much in tune with my body and I know when to really push myself and then when to not push myself. And I just feel like um knowing really having that awareness of myself is something that's kept me kind of consistent and able to have that longevity.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Yeah, for sure. And I've had uh people on this podcast, some who are, you know, who need to be coached by a person to be able to hit those goals and hit those milestones. And then others who like from the get-go have all been self-coached and they've been like hitting times and hitting big goals, and they're like, well, like you said, like I'm just very in tune with my body. I know, like, I know what I can handle, I know what I can't handle. And I'm a lot of one one person in particular, uh, his name is Nico Labandera. He said uh he's kind of a nerd when it comes to like the the stats and the, you know, um like and re researching. And so he was always like, the more I research, the more I feel like I want to coach myself because I know exactly like it's just fun to be able to feed that into me and be curious about how to coach myself.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

So yeah, absolutely. And I don't think I could do it if I hadn't had my own coach for so long, because I basically um, you know, took a lot of the workouts that he gave me over the years, and those are the still same the same workouts that I'm doing, but the difference is I'm orchestrating them in a way that I think makes sense. And when am I gonna do this workout and how much mileage am I gonna run this week? So it's really about like, you know, a good coach will orchestra will have a, you know, you might have a library of workouts, but it's all about how they're timed and orchestrated in the kind of larger cycle of things. So um today what I do is I will write myself an actual plan. And then week by week, I might make small modifications. Or if my plan says, okay, run seven miles today, my goal will be, okay, you know, run seven, but if you're feeling good, you could run up to eight, or maybe if you're not feeling good, it's fine if you run six.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

Yeah. Yeah. That's a great, I mean, sounds like a healthy balance and and sounds like you're definitely listening to your body. And I think that's the number one thing that sometimes runners can overlook is just try to hammer out workouts even if they're not feeling good and hammer out long runs. And I think you do a great job on your Instagram of like showing the importance of listening to your body and the importance of scaling back when you need to and when things aren't going the way that the way that it's planned. Maybe if you're feeling a little bit injured or sick or tired or what whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

Yeah, I definitely with my Instagram, I I I treat it like almost just like a training log. Like, you know, this is what I did today, this is how, and that's kind of how it all started. Like it started with my blog back in 2006. Um, and I so and I still maintain my blog. And so I kind of just treat my Instagram almost like a little bit of a journal, like, this is what I did today, this is how I felt, and a way to reflect, and this is this is why I dialed it back, or this is why, you know, I said I was gonna do this paste, but I ran a little faster because I felt like I could, and I didn't feel like that would I would be digging a hole. So I think it's just helpful for people to just sort of observe someone doing this, and um, you know, maybe it it will motivate them or help them see see something in a different light.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Yeah. All right. Well, so going back all the way back to the past from from when you kind of started running and taking running like seriously and and chasing big times. Um, so you you ran your first ever race back, I think I saw that it was 2005. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 10:40

That's correct, yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

And that was a that was a 10K, right?

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Yeah, I mean, technically it was a two-mile race at my college reunion. Um, but that was sort of small. It was, you know, just but it was it was the first time I had run kind of outside with other people in a race setting. Um, and then, but then when I did that race, one of my friends who was also someone I graduated with said, Hey, there's a 10K next weekend in Washington, D.C. Do you want to do that? And I said, Oh, what's a 10K?

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

The funny thing is, I I had been running like six or seven miles on the treadmill. That was my daily run, just as kind of like a gym rat. And he's like, that's six miles. I'm like, oh, I uh yeah, sure. I'm like, I do that on the treadmill all the time. I could I could do that outside shore. So he kind of convinced me to do it. And that was completely different because that was that race had over a thousand people. You know, you got like your little timing chip. There were like official results. Um, there was just a big hoopla, there was a big finish line stuff. And I had never, this was completely new to me. All I knew was running on a treadmill. So I was like, wow, this is this is insane. Um, and I did it and I didn't know anything. I didn't wear a watch. I was wearing cotton shorts, cotton shirt, cotton sports bra. Um, didn't really know what I was doing. And I just, it was hot, it was the middle of the summer, but I just ran hard. And then when I was done, I like looked at my result and um, or I called it like my score back then.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

My score. Um, and uh I did pretty well. So it just felt really good. And then I got the bug.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Yeah. That's funny. Yeah, I uh it's it's amazing. Like what before we learn all of the terminology, it's like we're just like, you know, how well did I do? And it's like you see something and you're like, is that good? I don't know if that's you know, like I think that's good, you know. So uh that's awesome. And then when did you so you uh said you did your first marathon 20 years ago to this year? So what was your first and and what made you kind of think, oh, I want to try the 26.2 distance?

SPEAKER_00 12:47

So my first marathon was the Delaware marathon. Uh not not the one in Rehoboth Beach, but it was just the Delaware, like I think in Wilm in Wilmington in May of 2006. And what made me want to do it was that one of my friends who um had done her first half, we I had done a half marathon in 2005. And I had a friend who had also kind of gotten into running at the same time as me. And she said that she was going to run the Delaware Marathon. And she told me I should I should do it too. And I'm like, well, you know, if if she can do it, I mean, we're we're similar. We just kind of both got into racing. I can do it. So I said, yeah, sure, I'll I'll do that with you. And um, and so we did.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

And and how did that first, I always love to hear first marathon stories. So how did that first marathon go? What were some things that you learned? Did it go kind of as planned, or what uh, or was it kind of a suffer fest? How'd that how'd that turn out?

SPEAKER_00 13:48

It's funny because I like I didn't think too much about it. Like I didn't, I I read this book, I read the Jeff Galloway book, the Jeff Galloway run walk book. And I kind of trained according to it in terms of getting my long runs up. Like I just every, every like I would run four or five days a week. And then on the weekend, the only thing that really changed materially about my training was that instead of just running six or seven miles on a Saturday, I bumped that up to like 12, 13. And I think um my longest run was 20 miles before. So I had run 20 miles. I knew that you were supposed to take some sort of like fuel. We didn't even call it fuel back then. We called them goose. You're supposed to just take that's what we called it, but I didn't I couldn't really digest those. So someone said you could take jelly belly has like sports beans. I'm like, oh, jelly beans. Okay, great. So I knew you know, I had my my jelly belly jelly beans. I knew I was supposed to drink water at all the water stops. I knew I was supposed to run one mile and then, you know, walk for a minute. So I did that. By this point, I had a watch. It was just a Timex watch. So I was able to know, like, you know, how long I should walk for. Um, and then I guess the biggest surprise there was starting like at mile six, like super early, my hip kind of started to hurt. And that was like a surprise because I had made it to like 20 miles without any issues. So I'm like, wow, man, why is my hip hurting at mile six? That's not good. But I just powered through and it got it kind of got really painful the last six miles, like much more so than I expected. Not just the hip, but just the whole act of being in a marathon. Um, so my time, I mean, I was, I don't really remember what pace I was running, but I did have to kind of run walk more so in the last six miles. But I I had fun, I enjoyed it. And um, I finished in a time of four hours and 46 minutes. Okay. And um, and that felt really good. Like I still in my mind, I can remember getting to like that mile mark or 26. I remember that feeling of turning a corner and seeing the finish line kind of just like etched into my memory. And um yeah, collecting my medal and being like in a lot of pain, but just loving, loving that feeling. And then my friend, she finished as well. And then we said, okay, what's our next one? And then we signed up for one the fall the following fall.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

Awesome. Well, it sounds like you did a lot more research and a lot more um a lot better training than my first marathon. I did my first in 2023 at the Austin Marathon.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

And um, I'm based out central Texas, so it was basically like my backyard. And um, a friend of mine and I uh trained together and we barely trained. Like, I think there were some weeks where all we did was the long run. We didn't do any of the runs like during the middle of the week, and we got there, we're like, yeah, we're ready, we're ready to go. And we never fueled, we never took, we didn't even think about it. And uh, I ended up running in like six hours and 47 minutes and just in so much pain by mile 20. And like from then on out, I was like, I can do this better. Like, I can figure this out, and like if I just actually do some research and train, I can, and now I'm a 350 rudder. So, you know, like that's that's huge. Yeah, all it takes is a little like research and doing it right, you know.

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Yeah. Yeah, I I am a firm believer that really anyone can improve their time, whether it's the 5K or the marathon. They just need to kind of figure out what you need to do and get yourself there.

SPEAKER_02 17:27

Yeah. And so going into your book, so you um your the subtitle of your book is a seven-year marathon journey um to to qualify for Boston. And um in those seven years, uh, you would you'd gotten pretty close a few times, and you had talked a lot about in the book about your mental, like the the mental toll that it took. Um so can you talk a little bit about that and a little bit about what what kind of what were you what you were thinking, how it became kind of like a sounded like it kind of became like your identity to try to hit this and a big a big point of pressure for you. So can you talk a little bit about that?

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Yeah, absolutely. So I did kind of wrap up my entire identity into this one goal. I've always been very, um, very much of this the stereotypical overachiever. I had kind of historically always defined my self-worth based on what I could accomplish, you know, getting good grades, I was on the dance team, did I get a good part in the school play? Like whatever I could achieve just made me feel really good about myself. And so when I said, okay, I'm gonna take this seriously and I want to qualify for Boston, and I had trouble doing that, that really felt like a blow to me because it's like I was trying so hard. I was training in doing all the right things, but yet I and I had like, you know, I had done it for so long, I had what I believed to be the physical fitness to do it, but um, I just wasn't hitting it. So it became, you know, the you know, the first time I missed it, yeah, it's it's upsetting, sure. But then the second time I missed it, you know, then it just that was, you know, that's annoying again because like I could chalk it up to the weather, I could chalk it up to I guess the first two times I could chalk up to the weather. Um but then it kind of kept happening, and it got to the point, well, I can't really just always chalk it up to it being the weather. Like there's something in me that is making me um kind of crash and burn and not be able to do it because I would train and I would be able to hit all these amazing paces in training. My long runs would go really well. And it got to the point, it's like, I wish I could just run my marathon in training and not know that I was running a marathon. So what was happening was that like over time, every time I missed the goal, it was like this mounting pressure and it got bigger and bigger and bigger until it became like this monkey on my back and it started just really interfering like with my mental health. Like I decided I wanted to try to qualify for Boston in 2008, um, didn't do it in 2009, didn't do it in 2010. So by the time 2011 rolled around, this was like, you know, this real point of anxiety for me. And I I still, I would say I still enjoyed running. It was still fun for me, but overall, it just felt like I had this um this weight hanging over me, this kind of dark cloud of like, you have to do this or else, you know. So um, so it did, it did really take a toll on me. And um, I'm glad I was able to identify that because it led me to a sports psychologist um or performance coach, if you will. And we, I worked with him, I went to see him once a week, and we really kind of untangled all of this. Like, why is this happening to me particularly? Because I would another thing I would do is constantly, constantly compare myself to other people. And I was in this running club and and they were all qualifying for Boston, and we would all train at the same paces, but then they would have faster race times and you know, I'd go on Facebook and see people setting these PRs, and it would just, it would really get in my head. So we talked about it with with the sports psychologist. I knew that there were some deeper issues there that I had to address. And I don't, I think if it weren't for running, I would never have addressed these issues that were just kind of an eight in me. And like um the number one being perfectionism and feeling like you have to be perfect at everything, and then also a lack of true self worth because if I'm tying my self worth to my achievements, you know, and these external factors, then what that means is my self worth is not coming from within. And so I said, Okay, well, what should my self worth be based on? I didn't, I didn't even know. And he's like, Well, are you are you a good person? And I'm like, Like, well, yeah, sure, I'm a good person. But then I would kind of like dismiss that. It's like, so what? You know, he's like, Well, that's that's huge. Like, you're a good person, you do good things, you you're a hard worker. You and he would and he started pointing out all these things about me, uh, which I had kind of just taken for granted. I'm like, it's table stakes. But he's like, No, this is like that's actually who you are. Your self-worth should come from these deeper innate um traits that you have and in your values. And so I really thought about that. And I'm like, yeah, that's actually that's actually true.

SPEAKER_02 22:32

Yeah. No, I think uh like you said a second ago, like as runners, we can sometimes make a goal bigger than what it is, and it it can become so big that we're like we sometimes feels like we can never hit it because it is so big and it almost feels impossible. And we can get into that cycle of like, oh, like it's just I'm not good enough because I can't hit it. And it's like, and like you said, like perfectionism does not go with running because like there are so many days and so many races, and you know, a race is one day out of a 365-day calendar, and it's like there's so much that can happen on that one day that can mess you up. And like if you put your entire self-worth into it, it can be like, oh my god, like I'm just a failure. Like, I that's all I am is a failure. And like if you think foundationally, okay, well, actually, who am I? Like, who am I really? You know, I'm Elizabeth Clore, I'm a good person, I I help people, I I do a lot of good things for people, and and I'm just a good person. And that's that's bigger, that's bigger than whatever goal could, you know, could come up, you know. So I think that's really cool that so you were able to kind of get there and get get to that headspace. And that makes kind of the goal just something fun to chase rather than rather than everything to you.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

Yeah, yeah. No, you you totally nailed it because you there's a lot in running that's not within your control. And even if you have ostensibly like the perfect day with great weather, a flat course, your body could just be off. Like it's just, you know, for whatever reason, it just doesn't want to cooperate. And I've had that happen too, where you can't really point to a specific reason and you can drive yourself crazy trying to analyze, which which I do. Um, but then sometimes you just have to say, yeah, it was just wasn't my day, and then move on. Um, but yeah, I mean, I tended to, I I took it just way, way too seriously. And um, yeah, so that's that's why I felt like it was really interfering with my mental health. Now, once we um kind of worked to kind of unpack these things, I started to really pay attention to when I was having thought patterns that were not helpful. And I was just very mindful of the way I was thinking about my running. So I wasn't able to kind of make this trans mental transformation overnight. But it ultimately I kind of had an epiphany and then things started to become much more automatic. I I started to connect emotionally with a lot of the things that I knew logically to be true, but that were not automatic thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

Um, yeah, and like those are the things like once you know like it's a day is just a day, you know what I mean? Like some it'll be some if it's good because the the conditions are good and you feel good you wet when you woke up, then it'll be a good day it'll be a good time day. And if not, I mean you still got out there and you still worked hard. Like that that matters in and of itself, you know?

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Yeah. And I think it's hard too because with running, it's something that you train for every day. Like what what has motivated me to go run every day for the past four months? Well, it it's uh it all comes down to this one day. So you can see how athletes would put a lot of pressure on themselves because they're every single day thinking about like the one goal. Um, but you kind of have to make sure that you're really not thinking about it that, you know, you have to enjoy the, you know, we'll call it the process, the the training, and really enjoy the fact that you're working toward something and embrace the working toward it, not necessarily like where you're gonna end up.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

And I think one thing you said a second ago is like, you know, the perfectionists and runners being perfectionists. And one thing, one thing that I think feeds that perfectionism, unfortunately, in 2026 is you know, social media and Strava and the comparison game. And like a lot of people can get into that comparison mindset of like, oh, like I see so-and-so is running a 255 marathon, and you know, I seem that like I could be as same shape as he is. Why am I not doing that? Why am I, you know, and you get into that kind of mental headspace. And I think what you do a good job of on your Instagram is while you are a high performing and high achieving athlete, you still show the days where you know you miss your PR by a long shot, or you I think there was one time you got to the starting line uh like late and you thought you were sitting in your car thinking it started a certain time and then it you know it started earlier, and you were you just had to jump in and run. And that's the kind of stuff that like I think a lot of people on social media don't post because it's like I want everything to look good, I want to be perfect, and but you post that stuff, and I think a lot of people like that because it's like, oh man, like you know, she's real, she's honest, she shows the things that actually happens to runners like me, you know?

SPEAKER_00 27:31

Yeah, and you know, if I was just trying to show, I I think it would be a lot more work if I was just trying to pull the thing, right? Like, I don't have a lot of time, I have a full-time job too. So I'm not I you know, if I try to put you know too much filtering on it, then it's like, you know, I I'm not gonna like curate this. It's just gonna be like, okay, this happened, now we're gonna move on.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Yep. Yeah. And I was I thought that was such a funny story when that happened. I was like, that's so crazy. And it's like one of my biggest fears of like missing a starting, a starting line like by a few minutes. And like, I but I can totally see that happening, right? Like you you think it's seven, and then it turns out to be like 6 30, and you're like, man, like that's so relatable in in most runners' minds.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Yeah, well, I mean, it started at 645, and and I think what you know, the race was December 7th. So I kept in my mind thinking like seven, December 7th, and I knew that it was like kind of starting early. So I'm like seven, I just never really thought to read the fine print. It was a small race, you know. They don't they don't hammer you over the head with the start time. If you don't read the emails, then you don't you don't know. I just assumed it was seven. And like there was just everyone, it was very cold. It was like 21 degrees uh Fahrenheit. And um, actually, maybe even actually I think it was a little colder. I think it was below 20. Um, and everyone was like kind of in their cars. So I'm like, well, yeah, I don't expect a lot of people to be all getting lined up at the start until right before. It's a low-key race. There's only like a hundred or so people. So um I'm fine. And I even got to the start line and I'm just like hanging out there, waiting for other people to get out of their cars. And someone walked up to me and they're like, What are you doing? Like, I'm just waiting for the race to start. And they're like, You know, it started already. And I said, No. And I just didn't believe him. I did not, he's like, Yeah, it started 15 minutes ago. I'm like, no, it starts at seven. And I I just I did not believe. And he's like, No, come with me, come with me. And he brought me to the race director, and he's like, he's like, she doesn't believe that the race, he's like, no, it started at 6:45, but you it's chip time, so you can just start right now. I'm like, oh, oh my gosh. And finally, it hit me that it like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

And you you ended up actually still having a really good race though that day. I think I remember you like seeing your time, and I was like, man, that's still pretty impressive, despite a nightmare scenario.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

Yeah, I did. I ended up PRing by like 12 seconds or something with some very narrow margin. Um, and because it, you know, it was, it was, you know, I run very well in the cold. It's not fun for you know hanging around, but give me like 22, 23 degrees, and I was fine. Um, but at that, you know, as we talked about the importance of fueling, my hands went numb. I couldn't actually take in fuel after like the first hour or so. Um, so I could have thought, I thought I was like, I probably could have done it even faster if I had access to that, but I'm not complaining by any means. Um, I did have a really good day, all things considered. So it's it's you know, it's a good story.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Yeah. And I think that goes back too to like knowing foundationally who you are, not being a perfectionist, like learning to be able to adapt to things because like, you know, stuff like that happens. Like you miss a time, you get start feeling sick or feeling cold and can't take fuel in. And you just have to kind of mentally and physically adapt to everything that's being thrown at you. And I think you I think us as runners learn that over time, where it's like it's just not gonna go your way all the time.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Yeah, and you and you can't get go into panic mode. Like I used to, once I realized in a race, oh, it's not going my way, I would kind of go into panic mode. And and one thing I learned um with working with this sports psychologist is that um you should actually be emotion neutral. And I'm like, oh, you you shouldn't be like super positive while running. He's like, Well, not I'm not saying that you shouldn't be super positive, but like you just need to be steady. Like you can't have your emotions be a roller coaster up and down, and you need to be focused. So you shouldn't be so optimistic, you know, that you are like not focused on what you're doing or whatever. Like you need to just be really mentally kind of neutral and dialed in. And then when you hit the finish line, then you can be like elatedly happy. But like this whole concept of just being emotion neutral, and if something happens that rattles you, your reaction is okay. Just it it's okay. And then you deal with it. And um that's kind of how I approach a lot of things in my life now. With I'm much more calm and less reactive to things.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

Yeah, I think that's one of the best things about running is that it teaches you how to handle life because it's like, you know, not every day of life is gonna go perfect and go the way that you want it to. And like you can show up to a work project and things go awry, and you're you can either panic and freak out and not get it done, or be like, okay, well, this didn't go the way I wanted, but how can we what what how can we work with what we have? You know, and it's just it's that thought of like, how can we work with what we have instead of like everything has to be to a T.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Yeah. Okay, and then uh I want to talk as well about the time that you eventually did qualify for Boston. So that was 2014, is that correct, at Columbus? Yes, that was and and when you hit that, that was I think it was 340 was the standard at that point. Was that right?

SPEAKER_00 33:06

Yeah, 340 for my age group, which at the time I was 36. Yeah, yeah. So for like, yeah, for the 36-year-old woman, you needed to get a 340.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

And when you hit that, let's first talk about that build. So uh building up to Columbus, what was kind of the mental um headspace you were in? How did the build go? And kind of what what what did the lead up look like to Columbus?

SPEAKER_00 33:33

Sure. So by that point, I'd been working with the sports psychologist for over two years. And I was in a much better headspace. And um I had already had my like epiphany of or my my breakthrough of realizing that it really did not matter what other people thought and that other people actually don't really care about my running as as much as I do. So if I don't do so well, like no one's gonna actually care. Um, that took a lot of pressure off as well. So um I kind of approached it with um, you know, I, you know, I had a new running coach at that point. I hired him, um, I think, yeah, like in the maybe in the spring of 2014. So it was a whole new approach to training. And instead of doing the same workouts over and over again, like I had been doing with this run club, because you kind of go to the run club and it's like, okay, it's Tuesday, it's a track, and then Thursday, it's a tempo, and that's just what it is, or something like that. Um, this coach totally tailored the program to me and gave me all new workouts. And so I felt, you know, leading up to that race, um, I had a lot of confidence that I had made some gains in my fitness, and I also knew that I had made some mental gains too, and that I wasn't putting an immense amount of pressure on myself. So the buildup to Columbus was great. And I had never run Columbus before. I was, you know, had heard great things about it. I kind of like to run a lot of different marathons, have different experiences. So um I was really excited about it. And my goal was to run a BQ of under, you know, under 340. Um, back then, I guess you did still need a little bit of a buffer back then, but I wasn't as concerned about the buffer as I was just hitting the time.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

So um, yeah, so you know, race day came and the, you know, the weather was pretty good. Um I, you know, I ran really well. There weren't there weren't too many hiccups. You know, at the at the end I slowed down like maybe a little. And um as I was approaching the finish line, after I hit like mile marker 26, I'm like, okay, I looked down at my watch and the distance on my watch had already said like 26.2, because you know, like your watch distance never matches. So I saw 26.2 and it was like 337 or something like that. I'm like, wow, like I did it. I was so excited. But then I'm like, but it's not, it's not official. Like this is normally at my home marker 26 here. So I was like, oh my gosh, I might I may get it, I may not. And so for like that last point too, I was just like a mad woman, like weaving through people, passing people, like it was like my life dependent on it because I'm like, I I may be able to get this, I may not. I knew I was just right on the edge.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

So I just ran my heart out, like I was in so much pain because it was like I was gonna say, like at 26 miles in, you're like sprinting is not the easiest thing to do.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

Yeah, but I'm telling you, the adrenaline overcame me. Like it was almost didn't matter how much pain I was in. That adrenaline like kicked in until I got to the finish line. And then I I finished and I was very happy, but you know, I stopped my Garmin and I looked down and it said 340 in one second. I'm like, okay. Um but I don't know if I started my Garmin like a little bit before. And I'm like, okay, you know, what if, you know, does it mat does it really matter? Because I know I got a big PR. I'm like, it does matter. So I like had all these thoughts in my head. I'm like, we have to get back to the hotel so I can get my cell phone so I can check the results because I need to know if if I got a 340 or if I got a 340 in one second. Um, and then my husband was there. He's like, Yeah, but you know, it doesn't really matter. Like you you did so well.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

It mattered.

unknown 37:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

I mean, I think he knew it mattered. He's trying to like, you know, calm me down and everything. And yeah, and so I we I was like, you know, my legs were killing me, but I'm trying to like book it back to the hotel. So, because we didn't have our cell phones with us. Um, and then I checked the result out online and there I was in a hotel room, and it was like 340 oh. And I'm like, that's it though. That's it. I be I qualified exactly on the nose perfectly. And I'm like, yeah, this is not gonna actually get me into Boston, but I didn't care at all. It was my first BQ and it was the exact, you know, 340.00. So I kind of thought it was really like a poetic end to my BQ story to get it perfectly, literally.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

Awesome. And but talking about that, so if you would have come home or come to your hotel and you would have opened your cell phone and it said 3401, what do you think your reaction would be? And and the reason I asked this is because I actually uh the episode that I released today, this is Friday the 14th on of our recording. Um uh I had a woman, she uh had finished three hours and ten seconds. She was trying to uh break the three-hour barrier, and she ran three hours ten seconds uh at Sha at uh, I believe it was Indie Monumental in 2023. And she was like, a lot of people thought that would have like annihilated my spirits, but like it actually like really fueled me to go to tri chase again. And then she ended up running five marathons in a 12-month period, which is pretty aggressive. But I'm curious as to what how you probably or think you would have reacted if you saw 340 01 on the on the clock.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

Yeah, I think where I was mentally at that point, I think I would have been like very happy because I still it was still a PR by over three minutes. And I had just been plateauing at the marathon, and I knew that like the way to get there was to kind of take, you know, not 10 or 20 minutes off in one go, but to take maybe two or three minutes off. So I think I would have said, okay, I made really good progress toward this. I know that I'm there. I mean, this pretty much proves that like I can do it. I just need to go find another marathon and you know, you know, train, train similar and just hope that, you know, I can get it next time. So it gave me a lot of confidence. And I don't think I would have been like bummed out about it at all. I I would have just been like, you know, I I'll get it next time.

SPEAKER_02 40:00

Yeah. And I think I've been thinking about that at myself too. Like, I want to qualify at some point, but I'm obviously like 50 minutes, or I think it's like 55 minutes away from my time. I think I have to run 255 to hit it, and I'm like, well, maybe I'll age up into it. We'll see. But um, I was thinking about like how I would react. I think it's the same thing of like if you're that close, it's just a it's just a missed turn, where it's just like a, you know, maybe a hill that you didn't like take on as well, or you took a little bit of a longer time taking a gel, or you know, it's just it's a small thing that you can like probably fix pretty easily in your next race, like if it's that short, you know.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

Yeah, but it does give you a new respect for every second matters, right? Like in a marathon, you're like, yeah, I need to just like I'm gonna take this water, I'm gonna walk through the water station, gonna take a few extra steps. It's like, well, uh, it does cost it does cost you.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

It does, yeah. I mean especially for something that fast, like the margins are tight. So like you know, they're very thin. And if yeah, if you walk on an aid station, that could be it, you know?

SPEAKER_00 41:07

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 41:08

Um, and then so 340, did that officially get you in, or did you have to run another one to get in to Boston? And well, what year again was your first Boston?

SPEAKER_00 41:18

So my first Boston was 2016. And the since this was Columbus was in September, they had already, you know, they the qualification window had just opened. So I was planning on running another marathon in the spring, thinking, okay, this 3400 is probably not gonna get me in, but uh within the same qualification window, I have another chance at it. And so then I went the following spring and I ran 335. So that was like um and change. So it was like a four and a half minute PR. And at the time that was I knew that would get me in because like buffers back then were like one minute, two minute. So if you had like a four and a half minute cushion, you were you know, you're pretty much safe than I was.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

Awesome. And when you got into Boston, so when you were right when you ran Boston for the first time, what are some things that Boston, the the race itself taught you that you never kind of learned and never uh that kind of surprised you um from just qualifying for it? What did the race kind of teach you?

SPEAKER_00 42:26

Um, it really I really felt like the race was like a celebration or a victory lap of running and so many people coming out to cheer. And uh it's also a a very challenging and surprisingly challenging course if you know for the fur for a first-timer if you don't really know what to expect. So it was humbling. The the hills really did beat up my quads, even though I didn't think that I went out too fast. Um, so I mean, on a very basic level, it taught me like, okay, this is what the the this course is and what you need to do. Um, but I think more broadly and more importantly, it taught me that like running really should be a celebration of what you can achieve. And um, it really, you know, everyone there has worked hard to get there. You know, even if they're like a charity runner, they they worked hard to get there, qualifiers. Everyone's worked hard to get there, no matter who you are. And you really feel that the whole weekend, not just during the you know, three or four hours when you're running the race, but you feel it at the expo when you're getting your bib all throughout the town of Boston. And it just is a great reminder that we should be celebrating um our achievements.

SPEAKER_02 43:33

Yeah. Yeah, I I can't wait to experience that myself. I've uh uh I don't know if you know who uh Christian Warwick is, he's the host of the Marathon podcast. And uh I had hit him on back in January and he when he qualified, he said when he got there, it was like it just feels so positive. Like everything is so because everyone everyone knows what they had to do to get here. And like, like you said, like. even raising money. Like that's a lot of money you have to raise to to hit those charity goals and and get there for that. So even like it's a milestone in and of itself just getting into Boston. And to run it, it's it's just kind of like man, I'm here. And yeah, that's gonna be that's gonna be such a cool thing to experience. My mom ran Boston um back in 1998 and 2003 and she said the same thing. It was like it's it's it's a euphoric feeling.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Yeah, it really is. It's it's it's unlike no other the camaraderie and like I really particularly felt that in 2018 when we had that horrific weather um there was like a major storm torrential downpours only 40 degrees a lot of the elites dropped out due to like hypothermia a lot of the regular field dropped out it was um probably one of the worst weather years in the history of the Boston marathon. And but as I was running it everyone is just smiling and laughing and it's like you know we're all in this together. I mean you you can't there's no avoiding puddles and we're all just like this is it was it was so epically bad that we had this feeling of like okay we're all in this together. And I thought I felt like that year in particular that camaraderie was like at its at its peak.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

I didn't know about the the the runners dropping out due to like hypothermia and stuff. That's that's crazy. I I knew about the weather but I didn't know how how how bad it actually was but yeah that would be kind of cool. It's almost like you're all working together out there in a bad in a bad day. So that's pretty neat.

SPEAKER_00 45:41

Well and what really what separated the the people that were able to finish versus the people that dropped out it was really came down to what you wore. If you were dressed appropriately it was fine. And I was I was dressed appropriately if you decided that you were going to just do a tank top and shorts then you know you you're not gonna be okay. Like you needed you needed a jacket like Des Linden won it and she's wearing this a substantial jacket I had three layers on of clothing. I had three pairs of gloves hot hands I mean I ran in a shower cap to try to keep my head dry like it's I I really just felt like that year like if if you had the right if you had enough clothing you were okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:24

Yeah that's so fun. That's and that's like the fun like game gamesmanship of a marathon right like even the weather you have to like learn to factor in and take into account I think that's like the most one of the most fun things is like every little piece of the marathon you have to account for. So that's that's so much fun.

SPEAKER_00 46:44

Yeah like I just the people like you're going out there in shorts a tank top and no gloves it's 40 it's pouring rain you're gonna be out there for like three plus hours you're you're not you're just not gonna yeah may make it in that weather that's a lot of time to be miserable.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

Yeah awesome and then okay so going back so when you qualified for Boston it was a big deal it was a long long journey um when did it get into your head of like I should put this down on paper and write a book and like maybe it'll help others. What was what what was kind of like the thought process of of actually putting it pen to paper?

SPEAKER_00 47:24

Well I had been keeping a blog a detailed blog of not just the races that I ran but like of a lot of what I was working through in my sports psychology. And it was a very open and honest and vulnerable blog and I and I don't really think many people read it. I mean maybe some of my running friends did I don't know maybe 25 people read the blogs when I posted them it really wasn't very many. But I had been um you know kind of journaling throughout also in a private journal and once I kind of came out on the other side I really felt like I had changed. I was no longer the same person. I was completely different in terms of how I looked at myself, how I looked at life and I'm like this is a transformation that goes far beyond running. The success story here goes far beyond qualifying for Boston. The success is that I was able to have an entire mindset shift in the way I looked at the world for positive I was able to really improve my mental health, my overall mental wellbeing by changing the lens with which I saw myself in the world. And so I thought that that was really interesting and that that could help a lot of people because um you can use running that way to grow as a person. And if we're not using it that way, we're missing out on like everything that it has to offer. So in terms of publishing a book I already had a lot of the material I had wanted to write a book since I was a child. I have a I majored in English. I always wanted to be like a writer when I grew up that's why I got into marketing kind of similar to you I'm a just a natural storyteller. So it just made sense for me to put it all together in a book and then just get it out there and see what happened.

SPEAKER_02 49:11

Yeah. That's awesome. And I think a journey like that like you said you'd already been telling the story with your blog and and personally on on in a diary but like a story like that deserves a book because it's like qualifying for Boston and and going through those like trials and tribulations like that's a that's a story people want to hear like those are those are the like tales that people go watch movies for and you know and buy books for so um I think it's really cool. And I think with your book and your blog and your Instagram you've kind of really built a community of like runners and and people who can relate to each other. Do you feel that kind of on a daily basis of like how tight that community is and how supportive it is.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

I really do. And sometimes it's hard to feel it from behind a screen. You know you could see the comments and the likes and it's just kind of like data on a screen and everything. And and I do really appreciate people who reach out to me via DM or in comments but when I feel it the most is when I go to a race or when I'm running somewhere more like where there's more runners like in Washington DC or something and people say like oh I love your Instagram or your content has really helped me I've gotten so much feedback from people in person that I it's it's then when I realize the magnitude of it that that community is um extensive and that I'm actually helping people because on a daily basis it's just it's a little bit routine. It's just kind of what I do. As I said I'm just busy it's like I do my post in the morning I get on with my day. But then when I'm physically there like at a running event and I talk to people in person, it just takes it to a different level.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

Yeah. No, I I feel that totally like there's a lot of days where you know I'm posting my content I'm hosting this podcast and I'm doing everything and it's like um I can get into the headspace of like I don't think anyone actually cares about this stuff. Like you know and like it's not a big deal. It's whatever. And then like I showed up to a race back in like late April early May and I had been trying to break 20 minutes in the 5K and I had been posting some videos about it and you know kind of documenting it in my podcast. And um I showed up to the start line and like three different people two of which I I think I'd had on my podcast came up to me and said they're like you got this like you got sub 20s in the bag and like one person who hadn't been on the podcast he just had been following me. He's like you got it man and I was like no dude like this is so cool. And then I don't actually didn't get it that day because the course um there was a crucial turn that wasn't marked correctly and so I turned the wrong way but um I think I ran 2011 and then the very next week I ran 1949. So got it but yeah so that was but that was like a big like moment of like man people can't people actually do care. And then like my coach told me like two weeks ago at our in our like check-in she was like you know I get text messages from like a lot of people asking like are you coaching Sam Sutton? And she'll be like yeah I was like oh like he's like super inspirational and like help me um chase my goals and what made me want to do hard things and like it's so cool that y'all are working together. So she was like you know your your content isn't going unnoticed and I was like those little things make you like almost make you a better runner too because you're like man people actually like care and want to know how you're doing and like people like love you, you know, and I think that's pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_00 52:49

Yeah you know that that's funny how you said because people care it almost hold holds you accountable because as I said I'm my own coach. And so when I had a coach I would be like I want to run all the reps that I've been assigned because he's gonna see it and I and I want him to know that I was strong. So now I'm like well I'm gonna post this on Instagram so if I like don't do my last rep is hard or if I like wimp out now you know once again I'm always just gonna post honest truth but it does it almost like it holds me accountable. Right. And so that's uh it's motivating for me knowing that like I'm just gonna post whatever happened.

SPEAKER_02 53:23

Sure. Yep. I was like and that's a good and that goes back to the authenticity of like even if this goes poorly I'm still gonna post about it. Like I'm still gonna tell people yeah it went poorly like I had to slow down in my last you know mile repeat you know what I mean and and and but I got through it you know we and that's how it has to be sometimes so yeah um and as someone who's very vocal and very like works hard on social media uh media to kind of share your goals and build that community obviously you probably get some flack and some hate comments and and things like that. How do you deal with with that and uh how do you kind of overcome that for uh what is some advice that you can give some other people who are trying to do that.

SPEAKER_00 54:05

Yeah and that is that is hard because even if you have like you know thousands of positive comments you can just there can just be that one comment that just is is negative. And I mean it really depends on on what it is. I've got I will say I've gotten a lot better at it. It used to bother me. It actually doesn't does not get under my skin the way it like it used to. My advice is that like look there trolls are out there and that there's always gonna be people that don't like you. Like it's it's literally impossible to be liked by everyone. That's not going to happen. So there's there's a percentage of people that just aren't going to like you no matter what you do. So accept that and of those people like most of them will just stay quiet but there's gonna be a handful of those people who are going to speak up and you know they kind of suck for doing that and but that's on them. So when they leave a negative comment it's gonna say a lot more about that person than it is about you because who do you have you put yourself in that person's shoes. Who what does your life have to be like and what do you have to be in order to scroll through social media and comment something crappy on someone's post like you must have not a great something in your life. And so I mean ultimately I feel badly for these people um and that's the way you should look at it they um you know there's something about it says something about them it doesn't say anything about me. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Yeah I um I read uh Sarah Hall's book recently um and and she talked about like the early aughts of the internet you know with with the let's run feeds and like people talking about her and and caught you know negative thing negative ways and she kind of at first when it saw was like I've never experienced this before and like kind of rocked her and kind of you know uh kind of mess with her times and mess with her life for a little bit and she had to kind of come to the point of like yeah but like like you said like if they're having to comment then something is wrong internally with them that they need to deal with that that they need to work on because it's really it's eating at them so much that they have to make somebody else feel bad. You know? And at the end of the day it's also like you said like I can know foundationally that I'm a good person. And if I do know that and I am comfortable with that this person's comment it doesn't mean anything. It's just it's just noise.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

Yeah exactly um and and I mean it's it's just yeah the when you the first time the first time it happens like when you become well known enough to to have the um the privilege of having trolls right yeah yeah exactly um it it it will throw you it did throw me for a you know a loop in the beginning but um I I'm definitely a lot better at managing because I just always say okay that's not that comment is not about me that comment is about them and um and I also just remind myself like how many you know I I show up to a race and I got so many people telling me that you know I've inspired them or they like my content and I just I go back to those memories and I let that kind of be what fills my head at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 57:22

It's a blessing to have haters.

SPEAKER_00 57:24

It's a blessing to have the engagement that the haters bring right that's right I mean and even in real life like there's always going to be people and this is actually something that I spoke to my sports uh psychologist with that I had to work through because you know there was you know an individual that was on my running club and I'm like I just I feel like she doesn't like me and I don't know what I did. And he said to me he's like it's not what you did. It's not what you said or did it say and do. I'm like what? What did you just say to me? He's like, yep, it's everything you say and do she doesn't like yeah and at first I was like that I had this gut reaction but then I really thought about it it's true. It's like if somebody doesn't like you, which that's natural to happen, there's nothing that you can do that's gonna change it. And everything that you say and do is going to be like nails on a chalkboard to them. And that's not your fault. It's just that they don't like you for whatever reason um that's they just got to accept it.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

Yeah for sure. Well I know we're getting kind of close to an hour here but uh one of my last two questions is so you've all now like you uh said earlier you qualified and ran Boston multiple times at this point and um run multiple PRs getting much faster.

SPEAKER_00 58:38

How has your relationship with the sport changed over the years since that first qualification going up to now I would say I'm a lot more relaxed about it even more so now especially with with being self-coached I I'm and as I get older I I've prioritized being good to my body focusing on longevity um tr treating my body not just so that it can perform for running but I want to feel good throughout the workday you know I don't want to constantly be tired or worn out. So I'm really trying to optimize for both performance longevity and just how I feel throughout the day.

SPEAKER_02 59:25

Yeah um I think that's one of the biggest like things to learn. I think a lot of people get into the thought of like I should always be training and pushing hard and it's like yeah but then you're gray behind the eyes like at the times that you need to like show up for a 9 a.m meeting or like you know get through a nine to five workday that like at 3 p.m if you've been if you haven't been listening to your body you're gonna fall asleep at your work desk and it's like that's not that's not good. So like you have to kind of learn that balance and it sounds like you have so yeah. Yeah. And then my last question is if you can go back and tell the previous self trying to qualify for Boston and and you know being that perfectionist and and what what would you tell her?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:14

I would say you have a very long running career ahead of you. I always thought that like I would turn 30 and like slow down like that I I would just keep getting slower but that's actually not true. And that yeah you do want to try to keep qualifying but that like you don't need to do it in the next race. Running is a long is the long game, right? You you know if you know 30 year old me, you'll be 47 one day and still setting PRs. Don't feel so much pressure that you have to to run your fastest times of your life right now. Just let it happen and enjoy the journey and see how fast you can get over many, many years.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:55

Yeah. I love that and I love that that I love that this conversation has been about enjoying the process rather than enjoying the outcome because I think like if you just enjoy the process and you enjoy the day to day that what it gives you and you have fun in it, that's what's going to keep you in it long term. Because then once you hit that big goal I think if you're goal oriented you hit that big goal and it's like well I'm done now and I can't, you know, what else is there? But if you're process oriented it's like well the sky's the limit. You know what I mean? Like what I I there's so much out there for me. You know who knows what what's good what's gonna come next.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:34

Yeah that's so true.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:35

Mm-hmm. Well Elizabeth thank you so much I'll let you get back to your Friday last thing I haven't said it publicly but happy anniversary to to you and your husband 16 years. Are y'all doing anything to celebrate tonight?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:46

Well he is taking me somewhere and I do not know where.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:50

Okay. Nice little Friday night surprise that's gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:54

So um yeah and I I think it's gonna be a whole weekend thing actually so um I'm very excited to see where we're going.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:02

Awesome. Well happy anniversary thank you so much and if people want to find your book and purchase it where can they go to do so?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:10

Amazon and if you want the audio book you can do Audible or Spotify but just search Amazon or Spotify for my name Elizabeth Clore and you will find it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:21

Deal